i think the pendulum is shifting in the other direction. there was a show called "raising the bar" which focused very much on criminal defense attorneys. there was "the practice" my favorite. it was about criminal defense attorneys. there was a cultural response on the part of news media and entertainment media to what the audience wanted to see. >> good segue. jonathan, from the commerce report of the operation, would you agree that the media contributes to -negative perception of the public defender? >> law and order has been running for 20 years in various forms. the media reflects what the public wants. that is my first point. my second point is, i was a federal prosecutor. like any other federal prosecutor, i came to admire, respect, the impressed with the quality of work that public defenders did. the best lawyers in washington, d.c., los angeles. for the most part, those in the public defender's office for the best. the third is, you have a great product but you do not sell it. vkrmall of the media reflectiof defense lawyers come fr